General Discussion

General DiscussionDOTA 2 is starting to die (dotabuff admin pin this, valve/icefrog nee...

DOTA 2 is starting to die (dotabuff admin pin this, valve/icefrog needs to know what mistake they made) in General Discussion
in and out

    Im a very passionate dota2 player but I know some of you can feel the title and I wont explain further just read the title again and you should/have an idea why it is dying so I think valve should DO something to bring back dota2 to life again.
    [and please valve profile re-designing does not make the GAME alive ]

    (this is only my opinion and I feel it is dying)

    Questa Discussione è stata modificata
    Kotato

      you are dying, everyone is dying, and i feel it

      Grimm

        dota will never die because undying

        Pale Mannie

          you say it's dead because you lost interest and want to blame it not on you but others. this times back to ancient times of dota and will continue like this. in other words, every game is dying and were dead already to begin with

          Feachairu

            is the game really that dying? it felt pretty ok
            altho some decrease in playerbase

            Ayakayoth

              http://steamcharts.com/app/570#1y > purely dota 2's playerbase

              http://steamcharts.com/cmp/570,730,578080#1y > dota2's playerbase fluctuation compared to csgo and pubg

              well yeah the playerbase is at its lowest point for like 2 and a half years now. so i can understand where this guy is coming from.
              lets just hope icefrog knows whats hes doing

              from the second graph you can kinda see that its more or less because bigger, more appealing games like pubg are popping out and the meta in DOTA 2 is honestly becoming kinda stale, though thats just my subjective opinion as a viewer. Also Overwatch league.

              hope they dont make the game more like LoL while trying to appeal to the larger masses, cuz it wont work imo

              Questo commento è stato modificato
              Shou

                Almost every game/show/IP has a bell curve life
                It's not unnatural nor weird that dota is declining
                Sure u can say it is "dying" but just cuz it's on the down curve doesn't mean it's dead yet
                Just enjoy what u want while you can. It's highly unlikely that valve can do much but slow down the eventual demise

                ZeUs!

                  Just wait until TI and all the scrubs will show up again! Let's see your "dead game" after that.

                  in and out
                    Questo commento è stato cancellato
                    in and out

                      ║SiltVoker║™ has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Yeah I've notice it goes down 500,000 - 300, 000 unique players
                      #1

                      .... has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Dota 2 is boring now tbh
                      #2

                      is pango a tango has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      the game will certainly die when all you guys do is tell people that the game is dying. must be really nice helping the game's end when you discourage possible new players from playing with these dumb topics all the time.

                      if you think that, keep it to yourself. these topics don't help in anything and valve don't even check anything here.
                      #3

                      white mirror has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      What is dead may never die. That's what you lot don't get.

                      I'll play this til my dying days I suppose not real purpose in life anyhow, just like everyone else despite what they might be telling themselfs.
                      #4

                      Azza ☠ has Dota 2 2 hours ago

                      YouTube™ Video: How do you kill that which has no life? - South Park
                      Views: 34,249
                      From episode "Make love, not Warcraft" (season 10, episode 8). What do South Park creators and Aristophanes have in common?
                      #5

                      The Sniper has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Originally posted by is pango a tango:
                      the game will certainly die when all you guys do is tell people that the game is dying. must be really nice helping the game's end when you discourage possible new players from playing with these dumb topics all the time.

                      if you think that, keep it to yourself. these topics don't help in anything and valve don't even check anything here.
                      u are not matured enough on this game u will understand sooner on why :)
                      Last edited by The Sniper; 2 hours ago
                      #6

                      sifas_p has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      when was dotA2 alive ?
                      #7

                      white mirror has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      I rather kill myself IRL than to die in DOTA2, that only guarantees repetition.
                      #8

                      ║SiltVoker║™ has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Originally posted by sifas_p:
                      when was dotA2 alive ?
                      9 July 2013, Dota was alive
                      #9

                      The Sniper has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Originally posted by ║SiltVoker║™:
                      Originally posted by sifas_p:
                      when was dotA2 alive ?
                      9 July 2013, Dota was alive
                      i think 2001 or 2002 BELOW dota1 started i forgot
                      Last edited by The Sniper; 2 hours ago
                      #10

                      is pango a tango has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Originally posted by The Sniper:
                      Originally posted by is pango a tango:
                      the game will certainly die when all you guys do is tell people that the game is dying. must be really nice helping the game's end when you discourage possible new players from playing with these dumb topics all the time.

                      if you think that, keep it to yourself. these topics don't help in anything and valve don't even check anything here.
                      u are not matured enough on this game u will understand sooner on why :)
                      yes. because you are embodiment of maturity.
                      Last edited by is pango a tango; 2 hours ago
                      #11

                      Gibbo69 has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Theres nothing left to do, all they can do is keep putting out updates, support the pro scene, create events that don't necessarily cost money, and of course keep adding new heroes as much as possible if Dota is to reguvinate itself.

                      At the moment the only players that are still here are the most toxic of the lot, everyone that left couldn't deal with that♥♥♥♥♥♥

                      But at the end of the day there isn't really a lot Valve can do, they introduced training mechanisms for new players at least but it hasn't changed a lot overall.

                      You also must consider that this is a Free to Play game and Valve is a business, therefore the top priority and concern is what is going to make them money, therefore releasing cosmetics and chests to a dying audience is not a smart business plan.
                      #12

                      The Sniper has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Originally posted by is pango a tango:
                      Originally posted by The Sniper:
                      u are not matured enough on this game u will understand sooner on why :)
                      yes. because you are embodiment of maturity.
                      thank you
                      #13

                      Its GG has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      The Dueling Fates update failed to bring it back to its former glory.
                      #14

                      Its GG has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      I actually thought the hype was real. It never changed anything actually.
                      #15

                      Ais Wallenstein has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      Dota 2 is starting to die but you still playing it :steamfacepalm:
                      #16

                      BoomOklahoma has Dota 2 2 hours ago
                      dota 2 dies slow gg icefrog
                      #17

                      [MNI] Weird Grim has Dota 2 1 hour ago
                      Dota 2 is dying for a long time now, ever since they removed some OP spells, like DP passive that gave her more ghosts and movespeed and like Voids passive backtrack that doge anything.
                      Now Dota 2 lose 100.000 player a year, and there 500.000 to go.
                      #18

                      ur mum gey has Dota 2 1 hour ago
                      i'm happy its dying. tf2 turned gay and cs doesn't get its love
                      #19

                      The One They Call Dante has Dota 2 26 minutes ago
                      Oh look another one of these threads...

                      [dueling shates update]

                      Questo commento è stato modificato
                      Celine

                        MOBA is getting old

                        SASA POPOVIC

                          Dota is dying long time ago and so is whole MOBA genre, it doesnt give you that instant gratification and requires from you to put insane amount of effort to get good at it, 90% players get sick of this eventually and quit 10% gets better and move on.

                          Bottom line is MOBAs will suffer the same fate RTS games had, old dota players have gotten old, millennials dont really care for it.

                          Questo commento è stato modificato
                          Friendly player

                            One match takes up like 30-40minutes usually, most of the time you are just clearing jungle and lanes. It is good to play with friends but any other than that its just queuing up to waste another 40 mins with people who may not be trying, who are talking trash, and people who think one report will impact you at all.

                            SASA POPOVIC

                              In lower bracket nobody pushes tier 3 until they are 6 sloted so its 45min+ games, god forbid they have good highground defenders, thats a guaranteed 1 hour long game after wich one you will straight exit game, nobody cant play after that, just had one today, at one point i really didnt care will i win or lose i just wanted to go out!

                              TripleSteal-

                                nice K thread

                                invis?

                                  tldr?

                                  Kio

                                    Probably the dumbest thread I have ever seen.

                                    Autumnus

                                      First of all, dota is a very difficult game, even a good souls player said that this was the most difficult game.
                                      I mean who the hell wants to play a very difficult game to relax alone?

                                      people juzt prefer league of legends in asia, because they like the "anime" artstyle of the characters and is much more simpler to play

                                      Well , every friend that I play dota with have pubg, its like a necessity recently

                                      шойгу где шарды

                                        Idk about you people, I’m having the most fun with dota in years lately. Yeah, it’s not as exciting as first 300 games random 10 carry fuckfest, but the meta is really high tempo and diverse at the moment, if you step outside of your 6-hero puddle. Player decline is natural, and not always bad - WoW suffered a huge player loss since Lich King, but the community got cleaner, more mature and accepting, and the new content is as good as ever.
                                        But hey, that’s blizzard

                                        not arin

                                          might be a side effect of banning accounts

                                          in and out

                                            yeah bird face picture u are right dota will be cleaner, and more mature, and accepting, understanding bla bla bla when its dead. ^

                                            Questo commento è stato modificato
                                            Vertoxity

                                              Very pasotioante player

                                              Feachairu

                                                solution=dota 2 needs to have alternate anime design

                                                Clippy

                                                  Wow the 3rd dead dota thread today

                                                  jeremy meeks' personality

                                                    Bottom line is MOBAs will suffer the same fate RTS games had, old dota players have gotten old, millennials dont really care for it.

                                                    this

                                                    myth

                                                      play until the game is no longer fun

                                                      Soggy Coochie Enthusiast

                                                        DOTABUFF ADMIN PIN THIS, VALVE/ICEFROG NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT MISTAKE THEY MADE)

                                                        Toppest kek

                                                        Soggy Coochie Enthusiast

                                                          Also
                                                          Boo hoo Super Mario Brothers dead now after 30 years only pleyed bye autistic speedrunning neckbeards wat did nintendo do wrong any tots?

                                                          EmotionalDrift

                                                            Nah they just banned all the smurfs and whole bunch of people got 6 m ban xD

                                                            not arin

                                                              the strong shall eat the weak

                                                              Feachairu

                                                                wat about my best solution
                                                                it's literally the only thing valve needs to do
                                                                trust me it works

                                                                Hans

                                                                  Its time to DOTA 3

                                                                  Last Hit

                                                                    Turbo mode made me come back to dota. Unfortunately they didn't keep the records. There should be a separate record for turbo mode.

                                                                    Jacked

                                                                      Dead game indeed

                                                                      Yung Beethoven

                                                                        I mean you write in the title that the admins need to pin this, so valve/icefrog can see whats wrong, while your first post, is just "read the title, so you can understand" like wtf are we supposed to "Know" now. smh

                                                                        Feachairu

                                                                          animu

                                                                          i actually wanted to say that,but i'm sure this guy is trolling since not giving any explanations

                                                                          KoroSensei

                                                                            Its better now.No one actually unpauses immediately when someone gets Dced.They are afraid of 6months ban.

                                                                            Totentanz to The King: M ...

                                                                              thanks for your opinions and contribution (even though i didnt read them). im sure icefrog and valve (even though they are not related to dotabuff in any way) will consider your (a total nobody's) opinions on how to fix their game.

                                                                              AloneInKyōto

                                                                                Just a 4% dip get ur shit together Einstein

                                                                                Синячий патруль

                                                                                  1)No events
                                                                                  2)MM is dead .And their attempts to revive it went unsuccessful
                                                                                  3)I dont know how much this makes sense but as for me it definitely makes sense. Dota is now a very balanced game. There always had been op heroes before 2k17. Lowering interest doesnt refresh with each patch like it was before when some heroes were becoming op (not extremely op like invo or od winter 2016)
                                                                                  4) New major-system. I think there's no need to explain this one. This system from cs go just sucks. And sucks hard

                                                                                  Questo commento è stato modificato
                                                                                  Jacked

                                                                                    It's Super toxic and laggy and bugged. That's the problem. And the game is way too complicated than it needs to be.

                                                                                    SASA POPOVIC

                                                                                      3)I dont know how much this makes sense but as for me it definitely makes sense. Dota is now a very balanced game. There always had been op heroes before 2k17. Lowering interest doesnt refresh with each patch like it was before when some heroes were becoming op (not extremely op like invo or od winter 2016)

                                                                                      You forgot to mention that dota is balanced for competitive Esports enviorment.

                                                                                      To enjoy that balance you need to have a team of 5 people that know what they are doing and that pretty much excludes everything bellow, lets say 4k MMR, it just doesnt work in pubs where playing support is required but nobody wants to be that guy who set up kills, they want to be that guy who takes thise kills!

                                                                                      Players eventualy get sick of it and quit, because supporting is really hardest and most unrewarding role. You are like designated driver on a party, evryone is drinking and having fun and yoi just sit there and wait for it to be over LUL

                                                                                      Edit: Forgot most important thing of all!
                                                                                      Also, very steep learning curve, dota is a game of many aspects, you cant focus at them at once, but one at the time, to conquer one aspect you need weeks or months depend on how much time you have on disposal and how gifted are you with your natural mechanical skills, some people are just good at game while others are not, some are ambitious others just want to play casualy and waste couple of hours of free time.

                                                                                      But dificulty to master Dota 2 aspects and mechanic in reasonable time is what makes most of the players to feel stuck in their MMR dont see progression and eventualy quit this game. After all we live in the modern era of instant pleaseure and gratifications and people are used to it, all games are going to this "noob/casual friendly" direction to appeal to the masses for highest profit margins. Other mobas on market have much less complex mechanic and they are able retain and even increase their playerbase more than Dota. This is simple truth.

                                                                                      Questo commento è stato modificato
                                                                                      Jacked

                                                                                        That's true. Meta doesn't change for Low mmr. Osfrog doesn't Balance the game for pubs anymore. Quite sad

                                                                                        шойгу где шарды

                                                                                          Idk who are all these people who suffer when they play support and etc. - most likely you are simply not a good support player. I'm quite shitty, but somehow manage to have fun and win early game most of the times on a position 4/5.

                                                                                          SASA POPOVIC

                                                                                            Idk who are all these people who suffer when they play support and etc. - most likely you are simply not a good support player. I'm quite shitty, but somehow manage to have fun and win early game most of the times on a position 4/5.

                                                                                            Its not about that, its about the whole meta and balancing orientation toward the Esports scene, you see things happen in esports matches and how game is supose to be played and you go like:

                                                                                            "okay so i need 1 support, first pick, 1 roamer as second pick, 1 guy on offlane that supose to be having 3rd pick so he can see what he will be up against and he can answer to that pick accordingly, cool, so now i need carry and mid laner"

                                                                                            Then you queue for actual match that is nothing like this, but a fucking chaos as a consequence of "random 5 players mix and matched into a pub game where everyone wants to be a rockstar"

                                                                                            This shit hapens regualry in sub 4k MMR and you will lose most of the games because of bad draft and there is no way to influence this for example when i ask my carry "Hey dude they have PL you might want to consider picking Sven an punish his dumb first pick?" i get answer "shut it N00B I KNOW WHAT IM DOING" then picks Ursa owns early game because Ursa and then complains in late game how dota comback mechanics are shit when PL who finaly got his items owns him every time he blindly engages at him! THis literaly happend to me multiple times im not even making this up!

                                                                                            шойгу где шарды

                                                                                              Climb to a higher skill bracket, simple. Even at trash tier 3-3.5k this is quite rare

                                                                                              Shou

                                                                                                Play the game or don't
                                                                                                Stop making these threads
                                                                                                Holy ass

                                                                                                SASA POPOVIC

                                                                                                  Climb to a higher skill bracket, simple. Even at trash tier 3-3.5k this is quite rare

                                                                                                  Any of your friends selling account?

                                                                                                  Play the game or don't
                                                                                                  Stop making these threads
                                                                                                  Holy ass

                                                                                                  We need more "what is max calibration MMR" threads ^^

                                                                                                  Sixe史吏

                                                                                                    I feel like DotA shouldn't need "OP heroes" that last for 6-18 months to be popular. The game is not fun with things like Arc Warden rapier where one hero can decide the game so much, that just feels like the equivalent of financial speculation in DotA...boom/bust of this type isn't sustainable, and those with that kind of mindset aren't really healthy for the playerbase (because they care more to play meta heroes and builds for the sake of MMR than to actually enjoy the game). I'd rather them leave, even if the total player count goes down.

                                                                                                    That being said, I think many low players have the wrong idea of why the pro meta came about, which leads to endless frustration. Much of the item builds and team compositions that pros use exist not just because "it is the best way to play" but "it is the best way to play assuming the enemy is actively trying to counter your team and build". What this means is that pro teams want a balanced draft, not doing so gets you brooded, LD'd, lycan'd, meepo'd, or huskar'd, or Io+1'd, and there is no shortage of good players who can abuse these cheese heroes on every Tier 1 pro team. What this means is that pro teams need to build early-game items and aura items and defensive items, because if you only go for greedy items, you will be punished 100% by the enemy offlaner and support at a 5k+ level. However, if your 1k pub enemy is too incompetent to do any of these things, why are you, a 1k support player, getting tilted when your allies play greedy? Just go with the flow of your team, and you can still win as long as you punish the enemy for the mistakes they do make.

                                                                                                    Google Open AI -, 2.4.72

                                                                                                      January 2016 -> 1.067.949 players
                                                                                                      January 2017 -> 1.007.451 players
                                                                                                      January 2018 -> 778.627 players

                                                                                                      http://steamcharts.com/cmp/570,730,578080#All

                                                                                                      ^something is wrong

                                                                                                      Can´t buy Culture

                                                                                                        passionate archon player!