@Kikoni
Penguin actually was very kind to the likes of you. In your first post you said that he was a turbostacker with a bad team, too. I would like to see you reaching 2,1k games and being at 66% win percent hotshot. And @Peace was damn right about this one, dota 2 is a team game whether you like it or not. And it's a fact that HIS team and not YOURS is ranked amongst the top ones. So take away your pitiful comments and go home.
Chris is only the #1 Ursa because he used an exploit along with several others for many, many matches that heavily skewed matches in their favor (100% to start with Roshan because of exploit + 5 man stack + tryhard picks).
@Terrible
Yes, i do. You got any problem with that? Chris please do not feed the trolls and/or the ignorant fanboys of other people. And it really isn't an exploit killing Roshan with Ursa at lvl1 with or without your stack. Besides, who cares about smurf accounts like "Terrible"? He wants so bad to get to the top50 winrates at his 201 games but he will never make it no matter how much he tryhards himself.
@Kikoni i'm going to say this for one last time so that your small brain has the chance to grab the essence of it. Penguin is n1 Skywrath and Chris is n1 Ursa. They both have more than 60% win percent in over 1,5k games each one. You on the other hand, have played only 700 games and you are just hating these guys because you'd love to be where they stand now. You call them subpar players, i call them current record holders. Regarding myself, chances are that i'll never play 700 games in total because i simple don't want to spent that much time on this game so don't even bother putting me in the same "box" with yourself and others.
You probably are a good player but get off your high horse and respect someone who is better than you and has a good attitude as well.
you are actually in no position to judge anyone's skill lmao
picking ursa and wisp every game and dodging the game when you're not dire or leaving the game when someone contests rosh is no abuse? alright
being the #1 on a hero is as desired as a good rank in tmm
those good enough to do it usually don't give a shit about it because they know it doesn't mean anything
kikoni didn't you play with resQ in dota? what a player
Sky want their dick so much or something. Do you really think that getting a high winrate on a hero you only pick while stacking and even dodging just not to lose a game is an achievement? Everyone can do that if they want and you think they are godly players. And look at his last games. He is pure trash without his friend Wisp.
@PaintingAPictureOfMyself
That's only the argument of someone who is afraid to be judged. Have you ever seen yourself in a mirror? You have 21 pages of games with no stats recorded, i was fucking terrified. And why didn't you commend on Penguin and his Skywrath? Let's suppose Ursa is not such a difficult hero and has lvl1 early Rosh and all these advantages, etc. Have you ever played Skywrath Mage? No. Try this hero at 100 games (and Pudge as well) and then come back here and let us all laugh with your performance.
Being solely a support or a hard carry only makes you understand part of the game. "Those good enough to do it usually don't give a shit about it" is just an excuse who is not even COHERENT with the text of my previous posts. These guys are champions, who the fuck are you? And damn, being the #1 on some intelligent heroes is as challenging as defeating TI3 teams in a consecutive series of games.
@S[A]m Fuckin' Peckinpah
First achieve what these guys have (e.g. being #1 on some intelligent hero or on Pudge) and then say if it was difficult or not. Till then, who the fuck cares about your opinion? Keep calling them trash because your friends (aka stacks) are not even half as successful as theirs. For all of you whiny brats there is solo queue too but i forgot, you will lose there too and will try to find an excuse again and again and again over someone who has been through this level.
@Akashi
There are some people who do, the ones who play as passionately as you are playing your favorite heroes. Saying things like " i played seriously for 2 months" and "anyone could do it" is just another expression for "eventually i got tired and now want to play only for fun, etc". There is nothing wrong with that. There are also people who care about stats because they were past champions or just because they are curious to see how the game has evolved. Nonetheless, you are no longer #1 and you are in no position to make such secund, brainless statements and you didn't even mention the hero that you were #1 on winrate..
I he was right now, at almost 2k games, in top50 win rates overall then this would be something to brag about. Since he isn't, there is nothing special to commend on. By the way, kärkkilainen please write the whole sentence next time not everyone knows that iirc=if i remember correctly, damn you. ;P
im not saying that those people who are at top 50 are bad, im just saying its not hard as it looks like. and yes now im playing only for fun and throwing half of my games cuz i couldnt do that on the serious account :D
Okay Akashi but we are talking about two different things. I don't disagree that it's not that hard to get into top50 win rates at 201 games by stacking etc. What i'm saying is that it is ultimately hard to be #1 with an intelligent hero or Pudge and i support this opinion out of a huge personal experience.
Of course there are several other agility and strength heroes as well who are difficult to master but i can't think right now because i am in a hurry. I defended as much as i could the purpose of this thread, now i have and other things to deal with. All in all, dota 2 is a great game and i tend to be very emotional when i play it, too, and that's what makes it unique (all these throws, comebacks, premades and so much more). I used to play very strictly but now i am just relaxing, having fun with cm games from time to time and things like that. Peace. :)
http://dotabuff.com/players/72903353/matches?game_mode=all_pick&hero=&match_type=unreal more than 90% of my games are -ap and in over 1k games i have 1 page of no stats games and that is other people leaving since i don't dodge games
he doesn't have 90+% because hes a good skywrath mage
he just plays games with wisp +tree in a 5 stack that are easy as fuck to win while he has a really good mid hero and dodges when the wisp is taken from then
@kärkkilainen
You probably mean this guy: http://dotabuff.com/players/57835748 Well, strangby doesn't seem to me like the biggest noob ever.. I don't know if you hold a vendetta against this guy or something but i definitely do not consider him a noob. Now, i am not sure at what point he was #1 but let's just not make hasty assumptions. Besides, it's like asking me "what's the difference between an old antivirus and an updated one"? It's a rhetorical question, that's the answer. In other words, today's #1 pudge (2 months ago was trixi from Fnatic) definitely is much more improved than the past's ones and that is what matters only, really.
no you're being fucking stupid you do know you could actually click on the games to see they are lobby games and bot matches and greevilling and diretide games
you get the actual real games that didn't count when you actually select the game modes and thats like 25 games and not 21 pages of games
@Moron flyingpigs tries to reach a new level of stupidity and is not able to understand the meaning of a comparison. I wouldn't expect something more from someone with such a profile picture and none of his favourite heroes (except Invo) being intelligent, anyway.
''And damn, being the #1 on some intelligent heroes is as challenging as defeating TI3 teams in a consecutive series of games.''
You are correct about Furi but still my comparison is fine, you are just too naive to accept it. Besides, i said it's as hard as winning teams (aka 5-man stacks in pub games) in consecutive matches rather than winning the TI3 itself since you want to be that precise in every word i use. Got it now, moron? Guys like you, who only think about money when it comes to big gaming gatherings like the International, are the ones who stall the progress of the game and make it rot from the inside out. Only the few, good ones remember how it all started and how it should remain forever throughout the time. When i transcended from Dota 1 to Dota 2 i was happy that finally this game started growing bigger and acquiring the recognition it deserved to have. But i will never forget the underground experience of it, playing lan parties all night while the moon was covered in intense, black colour. Now, gtfo and leave us alone if you don't have anything substantial to say.
dafaq you on about. dont try to change the way you define your comparison when you know you stuffed up fool. I mention the prize money because that can be an estimate of how difficult it is to be in ti3. You're the naive one if you think that being #1 on a hero in DOTABUFF is equivalent in difficulty to defeating TI3 teams. Don't talk to me about lan parties and all those crap. That's all irrelevant you dumbass. Anyone with a brain knows that your comparison is shit and you stuff up. Dont get all sentimental about you playing dota 1 and all those jazz.
"any player with below 1000 matches is automatically a smurf" - relentless
"kidades is awesome at wisp even if kidades has no idea what pulling or lane control is" - relentless
"chris is top #1 ursa because he played his games fair" - relentless
Lol my stacks? Really? My "friends this month" list has Inkvizitor from team aspera in it, means I stack so rarely that dotabuff thinks random people that I get in my team in pub games are my friends. Also most of my stacks are 2 man and doesn't include any tryhard in it. And what exactly makes him the "#1 SWM in the world"? His high KDA and winrate? These are not the things that make you good at a hero. Having a lot of games and experience are. Do you think Dendi's Pudge or AB's LD have %90 winrate? No they don't. So now are you gonna refuse them being the best by showing a guy that has 100 games and %90 winrate? And I already said that "being" #1 on a hero is nothing to brag about because in reality you are not even close to being the best. Now go back to your "beloved" %44 winrate 1.90 KDA shit tier SWM.
@sky, no he used an exploit, and the whole stack were in on it.
I'm quite sure it doesn't work anymore, but in the past you were able to Early Abandon a match at the hero pick screen (so you don't pick a hero), and do this up to 5 minutes into a match before it would count as an Abandon OR after First Blood, at which point you would get punished for leaving. Anyway, if you are at the hero pick screen and early abandon before either condition as met, you can leave the game without any punishment.
What these guys would do, is 4 of them would rosh while 1 of them wouldn't choose a hero, and if rosh was challenged or anything, the other guy would leave before any kill happened. That means that they only go into matches with aegis advantage, and when you are playing in a 5 stack of decent players (they are all good players, nothing exceptional) with try hard picks and get an advantage like that, you will almost never lose. If the roshan was contested, as I said they would leave without any punishment and queue again. That is the exploit.
As for kikoni, he has nothing to prove to you, he is very well known and you are more than welcome to watch his matches, demanding he plays 2000 matches is a joke.
This account is the one I played on while my main was muted, and if you look at my matches you will notice that they are all solo queue, and that I care very little for win rate, I seek quality matches, not something you can get when you are muted because you stomp someone occasionally.
why do you actually discuss about me? did i ever claim to be the best ursa? actually no. i just enjoyed playing it and doing the strat. now i enjoy something else and do somethign else. get a life guys and just play the game you like.
Im kinda late to the party but...what the hell, yeah, picking ursa tree and wisp every game while stacking its pretty try hard real, but jeez okay thats fine, what I have a problem with is abusing the system leaving everytime someone contest rosh, or every time they get radiant its just plain cheating.
No, its not tryhard. How can it be? Nothing tryhard in dodging game when fail rosh attempting. You are insulting real tryhards that dont try to exploit dodging system.That is the oposite, if game is hard u leave it (tryeasy). +Only tryabusing/tryexploiting.
wana see what happens if abusers dont dodge game vs decent oponent?
@Kikoni
Penguin actually was very kind to the likes of you. In your first post you said that he was a turbostacker with a bad team, too. I would like to see you reaching 2,1k games and being at 66% win percent hotshot. And @Peace was damn right about this one, dota 2 is a team game whether you like it or not. And it's a fact that HIS team and not YOURS is ranked amongst the top ones. So take away your pitiful comments and go home.
Chris is only the #1 Ursa because he used an exploit along with several others for many, many matches that heavily skewed matches in their favor (100% to start with Roshan because of exploit + 5 man stack + tryhard picks).
@Sky, are you really shit talking kikoni?
50% of my ursa matches are 2 man stack. Get your facts straight.
@Terrible
Yes, i do. You got any problem with that? Chris please do not feed the trolls and/or the ignorant fanboys of other people. And it really isn't an exploit killing Roshan with Ursa at lvl1 with or without your stack. Besides, who cares about smurf accounts like "Terrible"? He wants so bad to get to the top50 winrates at his 201 games but he will never make it no matter how much he tryhards himself.
wow sky you're deluded
go suck up to subpar players more
@Kikoni i'm going to say this for one last time so that your small brain has the chance to grab the essence of it. Penguin is n1 Skywrath and Chris is n1 Ursa. They both have more than 60% win percent in over 1,5k games each one. You on the other hand, have played only 700 games and you are just hating these guys because you'd love to be where they stand now. You call them subpar players, i call them current record holders. Regarding myself, chances are that i'll never play 700 games in total because i simple don't want to spent that much time on this game so don't even bother putting me in the same "box" with yourself and others.
You probably are a good player but get off your high horse and respect someone who is better than you and has a good attitude as well.
:DD
you are actually in no position to judge anyone's skill lmao
picking ursa and wisp every game and dodging the game when you're not dire or leaving the game when someone contests rosh is no abuse? alright
being the #1 on a hero is as desired as a good rank in tmm
those good enough to do it usually don't give a shit about it because they know it doesn't mean anything
kikoni didn't you play with resQ in dota? what a player
Sky want their dick so much or something. Do you really think that getting a high winrate on a hero you only pick while stacking and even dodging just not to lose a game is an achievement? Everyone can do that if they want and you think they are godly players. And look at his last games. He is pure trash without his friend Wisp.
@PaintingAPictureOfMyself
That's only the argument of someone who is afraid to be judged. Have you ever seen yourself in a mirror? You have 21 pages of games with no stats recorded, i was fucking terrified. And why didn't you commend on Penguin and his Skywrath? Let's suppose Ursa is not such a difficult hero and has lvl1 early Rosh and all these advantages, etc. Have you ever played Skywrath Mage? No. Try this hero at 100 games (and Pudge as well) and then come back here and let us all laugh with your performance.
Being solely a support or a hard carry only makes you understand part of the game. "Those good enough to do it usually don't give a shit about it" is just an excuse who is not even COHERENT with the text of my previous posts. These guys are champions, who the fuck are you? And damn, being the #1 on some intelligent heroes is as challenging as defeating TI3 teams in a consecutive series of games.
@S[A]m Fuckin' Peckinpah
First achieve what these guys have (e.g. being #1 on some intelligent hero or on Pudge) and then say if it was difficult or not. Till then, who the fuck cares about your opinion? Keep calling them trash because your friends (aka stacks) are not even half as successful as theirs. For all of you whiny brats there is solo queue too but i forgot, you will lose there too and will try to find an excuse again and again and again over someone who has been through this level.
Disregarded both, gtfo now. bb.
dude seriously who the hell cares about stats. i played seriously for 2 months and i got #1 on winrate and anyone could do it.
@Akashi
There are some people who do, the ones who play as passionately as you are playing your favorite heroes. Saying things like " i played seriously for 2 months" and "anyone could do it" is just another expression for "eventually i got tired and now want to play only for fun, etc". There is nothing wrong with that. There are also people who care about stats because they were past champions or just because they are curious to see how the game has evolved. Nonetheless, you are no longer #1 and you are in no position to make such secund, brainless statements and you didn't even mention the hero that you were #1 on winrate..
he was #1 win rate overall iirc
I he was right now, at almost 2k games, in top50 win rates overall then this would be something to brag about. Since he isn't, there is nothing special to commend on. By the way, kärkkilainen please write the whole sentence next time not everyone knows that iirc=if i remember correctly, damn you. ;P
im not saying that those people who are at top 50 are bad, im just saying its not hard as it looks like. and yes now im playing only for fun and throwing half of my games cuz i couldnt do that on the serious account :D
Okay Akashi but we are talking about two different things. I don't disagree that it's not that hard to get into top50 win rates at 201 games by stacking etc. What i'm saying is that it is ultimately hard to be #1 with an intelligent hero or Pudge and i support this opinion out of a huge personal experience.
Of course there are several other agility and strength heroes as well who are difficult to master but i can't think right now because i am in a hurry. I defended as much as i could the purpose of this thread, now i have and other things to deal with. All in all, dota 2 is a great game and i tend to be very emotional when i play it, too, and that's what makes it unique (all these throws, comebacks, premades and so much more). I used to play very strictly but now i am just relaxing, having fun with cm games from time to time and things like that. Peace. :)
I want to write that i dont give a shit about this thread.
I dont give a shit about this thread.
is someone mad at me now?
http://dotabuff.com/players/72903353/matches?game_mode=all_pick&hero=&match_type=unreal
more than 90% of my games are -ap and in over 1k games i have 1 page of no stats games and that is other people leaving since i don't dodge games
he doesn't have 90+% because hes a good skywrath mage
he just plays games with wisp +tree in a 5 stack that are easy as fuck to win while he has a really good mid hero and dodges when the wisp is taken from then
''And damn, being the #1 on some intelligent heroes is as challenging as defeating TI3 teams in a consecutive series of games.''
couldnt agree more buddy, keep posting, i like u
even strangby has been (or is) #1 pudge and he is the biggest noob ever
@PaintingAPictureOfMyself
This is the correct link, stop deceiving people:
http://dotabuff.com/players/72903353/matches?hero=&game_mode=&match_type=unreal
@kärkkilainen
You probably mean this guy: http://dotabuff.com/players/57835748 Well, strangby doesn't seem to me like the biggest noob ever.. I don't know if you hold a vendetta against this guy or something but i definitely do not consider him a noob. Now, i am not sure at what point he was #1 but let's just not make hasty assumptions. Besides, it's like asking me "what's the difference between an old antivirus and an updated one"? It's a rhetorical question, that's the answer. In other words, today's #1 pudge (2 months ago was trixi from Fnatic) definitely is much more improved than the past's ones and that is what matters only, really.
he is a friend of him and trolling ;)
no you're being fucking stupid you do know you could actually click on the games to see they are lobby games and bot matches and greevilling and diretide games
you get the actual real games that didn't count when you actually select the game modes and thats like 25 games and not 21 pages of games
lol @swiftending. yes obviously it is as hard. You get $ 1.4m if you're #1 intelligent hero in dotabuff. Same difficulty required in ti3.
@Moron flyingpigs tries to reach a new level of stupidity and is not able to understand the meaning of a comparison. I wouldn't expect something more from someone with such a profile picture and none of his favourite heroes (except Invo) being intelligent, anyway.
dumbass. my point was your comparison is shit. Nature prophet I believe is an intelligent hero.
''And damn, being the #1 on some intelligent heroes is as challenging as defeating TI3 teams in a consecutive series of games.''
You are correct about Furi but still my comparison is fine, you are just too naive to accept it. Besides, i said it's as hard as winning teams (aka 5-man stacks in pub games) in consecutive matches rather than winning the TI3 itself since you want to be that precise in every word i use. Got it now, moron? Guys like you, who only think about money when it comes to big gaming gatherings like the International, are the ones who stall the progress of the game and make it rot from the inside out. Only the few, good ones remember how it all started and how it should remain forever throughout the time. When i transcended from Dota 1 to Dota 2 i was happy that finally this game started growing bigger and acquiring the recognition it deserved to have. But i will never forget the underground experience of it, playing lan parties all night while the moon was covered in intense, black colour. Now, gtfo and leave us alone if you don't have anything substantial to say.
dafaq you on about. dont try to change the way you define your comparison when you know you stuffed up fool. I mention the prize money because that can be an estimate of how difficult it is to be in ti3. You're the naive one if you think that being #1 on a hero in DOTABUFF is equivalent in difficulty to defeating TI3 teams. Don't talk to me about lan parties and all those crap. That's all irrelevant you dumbass. Anyone with a brain knows that your comparison is shit and you stuff up. Dont get all sentimental about you playing dota 1 and all those jazz.
"it's fine as long as you don't 5 man stack and pick cw lineups in ap"
LMAO THE FUCKING IRONY
"And damn, being the #1 on some intelligent heroes is as challenging as defeating TI3 teams in a consecutive series of games. "
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THREAD
"any player with below 1000 matches is automatically a smurf" - relentless
"kidades is awesome at wisp even if kidades has no idea what pulling or lane control is" - relentless
"chris is top #1 ursa because he played his games fair" - relentless
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
This forum is no longer chinks vs whites, it is smurfs (as they are called) vs decent lvl players
PS, not against smurfing or 5 man stacking, these are not abusing system, it is some strategy, and dota is all about strategies..
Lol my stacks? Really? My "friends this month" list has Inkvizitor from team aspera in it, means I stack so rarely that dotabuff thinks random people that I get in my team in pub games are my friends. Also most of my stacks are 2 man and doesn't include any tryhard in it. And what exactly makes him the "#1 SWM in the world"? His high KDA and winrate? These are not the things that make you good at a hero. Having a lot of games and experience are. Do you think Dendi's Pudge or AB's LD have %90 winrate? No they don't. So now are you gonna refuse them being the best by showing a guy that has 100 games and %90 winrate? And I already said that "being" #1 on a hero is nothing to brag about because in reality you are not even close to being the best. Now go back to your "beloved" %44 winrate 1.90 KDA shit tier SWM.
@sky, no he used an exploit, and the whole stack were in on it.
I'm quite sure it doesn't work anymore, but in the past you were able to Early Abandon a match at the hero pick screen (so you don't pick a hero), and do this up to 5 minutes into a match before it would count as an Abandon OR after First Blood, at which point you would get punished for leaving. Anyway, if you are at the hero pick screen and early abandon before either condition as met, you can leave the game without any punishment.
What these guys would do, is 4 of them would rosh while 1 of them wouldn't choose a hero, and if rosh was challenged or anything, the other guy would leave before any kill happened. That means that they only go into matches with aegis advantage, and when you are playing in a 5 stack of decent players (they are all good players, nothing exceptional) with try hard picks and get an advantage like that, you will almost never lose. If the roshan was contested, as I said they would leave without any punishment and queue again. That is the exploit.
As for kikoni, he has nothing to prove to you, he is very well known and you are more than welcome to watch his matches, demanding he plays 2000 matches is a joke.
This account is the one I played on while my main was muted, and if you look at my matches you will notice that they are all solo queue, and that I care very little for win rate, I seek quality matches, not something you can get when you are muted because you stomp someone occasionally.
~~~~~~~~: Uh, what is ironic about that statement? Please enlighten me.
why do you actually discuss about me? did i ever claim to be the best ursa? actually no. i just enjoyed playing it and doing the strat. now i enjoy something else and do somethign else. get a life guys and just play the game you like.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/308450525
lulz
lulz
wow relentless abusing limited pool, now that valve patched dodging, relentless cant win anymore
i also queue limited hero pool but i never get any
^ are you hiding stats or different account?
Chris I actually never talked about you. You actually have a lot of experience with that hero.
might as well though
"wow relentless abusing limited pool, now that valve patched dodging, relentless cant win anymore"
this forum need mod to ban incompetent bugs like kami
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ-w61_mzyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiZNSzWIaLo
relentless talking with an alternative account, adorable
Im kinda late to the party but...what the hell, yeah, picking ursa tree and wisp every game while stacking its pretty try hard real, but jeez okay thats fine, what I have a problem with is abusing the system leaving everytime someone contest rosh, or every time they get radiant its just plain cheating.
No, its not tryhard. How can it be? Nothing tryhard in dodging game when fail rosh attempting. You are insulting real tryhards that dont try to exploit dodging system.That is the oposite, if game is hard u leave it (tryeasy). +Only tryabusing/tryexploiting.
wana see what happens if abusers dont dodge game vs decent oponent?
example:
http://dotabuff.com/matches/245515812
i found 7 abusers in that game, your point being?