General DiscussionTop Phoenix players

http://dotabuff.com/players/80048863

Thanks Vroksnak :D
You just inspire me to play phoenix

fyi my friend elememental maxes laser^_^

He also barely gets any kills >.>
And horribly low hero damage.
He sucks imo. Is he even doing anything?!

this shit should be reportable and get banned.

Thanks, I'll check some of the Elemental and Smaug games.
If you have any other suggestions, feel free to post them.

he is the best

Doesn't look like he plays much of Phoenix 6.81b also does he primarily group it appears?

Can confirm Phoenix fun hero and OP against noobs lol

The Elememental guy stacks constantly, and is mostly useless in his game. Looking at his matches he often has the 2nd lowest Hero Damage in his team. Looking at my games I almost always have the highest hero damage in the entire game.
I don't know what else he is doing if he's not dealing any damage with a nuker.

http://dotabuff.com/players/140809226/matches?date=&duration=&faction=&game_mode=&hero=phoenix&lobby_type=&region=

if hero damage is what you're looking at, than enjoy. low winrate tho'

The elemental guy looks to be playing Phoenix more as a support as he would be maxing the sun ray to heal his team and damage enemies as they dive early under towers as a lot of party stacks will. Arguably Phoenix isn't a massively good killer and you can tap out a couple people early on as they are wandering but then it all just goes to assists as people start to team fight more.

^ I have played about 100 or 200 games with early sun ray max Phoenix and it didn't really change anything. And saying Phoenix was not a good killer is just neglecting the reality very hard. He is one of the top killers in the game, and he can barely do anything else but killing.
And if you play Phoenix as support, I'd suggest you get a mek. Also, up to 2k hero healing per game is everything but impressive. Look my records page, I got almost 5k hero healing on freaking OD.

I am not affronting your personal skill on phoenix I was simply suggesting how this guy choose to play the hero.

van-art`god best phoenix.

And I am just explaining why the way how he chooses to play the hero still is not effective, nor does it explain why his hero damage is so low.
I played EZ lane support Phoenix once, I bought so many Sentries, Observers and Dust, so after a while I had 6k gold and my allies told me to buy a rapier. That's how Phoenix is. If you support with this guy, you're just becoming rich because of all that kill and assist gold.
There is no excuse for being 2nd worst on your team in terms of hero damage. Not with this hero. His spells are just way too strong.

djyvyer or whatever name he uses and jussi

rest is trash, if smaug was in my game and wanted phoenix mid i'd abandon (no offense i just dont want a phoenix mid)

^ wheres my pa mid

^^ good thing, I also hate SF/Invoker/Tinker mid. Worst mid heroes ever.

pls i havent even played dota in like 3 days except for some 1v1 when im bored

Elemental shows up on a lot of the friend-lists of know cheaters and abusers who get reported on the Dota2dev forums. Can't say I have seen any proof of him doing anything though.

@Cronos
For what its worth though you can probably watch some of Elemental's games and learn something, but you might also find games that aren't applicable to your dota play.

I suggest you check our Synderen or Bulba.

why is it always low skilled trash who care more about cheaters than rather improving their own skill
at first this would be seen as photoshopped but its very real
[IMG]http://puu.sh/9Q1nl.jpg[/IMG]

i bet half of these matches are in that us west matchmaking pool or something

^
You can keep posting that if it makes you happy wave.

If I was concerned or bothered by people being able to see my profile and match history, i would hide it and create lots of accounts. You know... like you do.

edit: http://dotabuff.com/players/135391452 simply profile link works too.

i have two accounts but ok, nice argument very real 10/10 would repost over and over again

are you going to cry on reddit after this?

you seem salty wave. Hope you get over that.

Have a nice day.

have you figured out how to beat the passive bot yet? i heard if you manage to pull off 2 cs/1min and not cry on reddit or about things thats not even true would put you in the 3k mmr bracket opposed to the 1k mmr bracket you're most likely in

but i must say the passive bot seem to overwhelm you in the laning state, not that i watched the replay lolz

So salty

Why is practicing vs bots a bad thing.....I don't get it?

play normal matches, get good. i remember when i played in low prio for a short moment and it fucked me over completely once ranked came out lolz
how practicing vs bots is even a thing is beyond me. i thought people used it to waste time and/or see what ping they get

Wrong, they mostly use it to burn LP matches.

^
I thought Vavle nerfed that.

I haven't been put in LP for a very long time and I'm no planning on getting there to test it, but random youtube commenters told me that. And if you can't trust them, then who can you trust?

i think u have to play 20 minutes in a bot match that is "hard" and not passive to get rid of low prio

or you can pick furion and feed so the match gets done with in 5 minutes

15min, easy n above, must win.

game needs to last 15 mins and u can also play ez bots, and get rid of lp

@Cronos; I would recommend skilling ray after 2/3 levels of dive (once you have enough mana). I play him offlane support, but still manage 1st/2nd most damage. He carried me from 4300mmr to 4800mmr.

^ You can buy mana items so easily on Phoenix, Mana should NEVER be a problem for you. Just get some int, the rest refills automatically whenever you ult.

@ELEMEMENTAL :D

Support - the damage dealing factor!

necro dead threads pls, u are dead to me

I play him as a solo offlane - got 90% winrate or so even though I keep feeding cause I suck at offlaning.

I'd rather play him semi-carry than support, if you manage to get a radiance quickly and a tarrasque max 10 minutes later, Phoenix becomes a roflstomp.