General DiscussionAnti mage 5k+ players, question

bf is better because
1) can jungle
2) can split push
3) farm faster than midas

why tf would you go midas into bf, farm into more farm..... anyway I've never even thought about midas on am unless im sure its going late so stick with getting a bf

Sincerely a 4k scrub. If im wrong educate me all mighty 5k+ players

it's almost guaranteed to fail in pubs. even in organized games. you already need so much time to farm and 3 items before you join the fight, why delay that even further with midas pickup.

I'm pretty sure even inhuman bots would take advantage of that.

its not bad depending on the situation, the key point is manta, you end up reaching manta at the same time as battlefury+manta straight i believe

bogidotini midas is for the weak

if you have so much space to farm you are looking to get six-slotted by 30 minutes, + levels come extremely fast for AM, so a midas is hardly ever good on him

In China midas on AM first is mandatory.

y thats true, you get farm fast anyway with Bf more than enough not need for a midas even if 80 cs 10 min.

Midas slows you down. And having half of the battlefury already allows you to help in some skirmishes if required unlike while having midas.
And in patch 6.82 in basically all situations midas is helping the enemy team more than your team regardless, thus no don't go for it.

It may be useful if you´re not going battle fury. I don't see midas+bfury work in pubs.

Maybe midas into crimson to manta.

mushi played am mid and went midas into bfury 2-3 days ago
they lost to a medusa in the end

Arteezy messed around in some games with midas > vanguard (you all expected midas > bf amirite?) though I can't possibly tell you if it's a good build or not.

Midas is worse for a lot of reasons. First of all, the thing that makes AM so 'great' is his flashfarm ability. The reason why battlefury is so nice on Antimage is because he has a reliable escape, which means he can push effectively and is able to delay the game by split pushing. Battlefury also gives AM cleave, which is extremely useful in combintion with his rather high base attack time, not to mention he doesn't have to walk from camp to camp (jungle) because he can blink. Battlefury also gives AM much needed Regen (especially mana) whcih allowes him to spam blink in order to farm more effectively.

In the end, midas is a no go on AM, AM is not a lategame carry, which many people believe. He is a midgame flashfarm carry, much like alchemist, meepo and such. He is also very situational, he should only be used if you should face people with a big manapool otherwise there are better heroes.

No and I would expect a 5k player to know that.

Hand of midas = delay in getting battlefury

delay in getting battle fury = loss of gold

Battlefury is considered a snowball farming item.

With AM's high AS a BF will pay for itself way way faster. It takes 16m40s for a Midasto pay for itself, the calculation is far trickier for a BF but there's no doubt the 35% cleave in conjunction with the other bonuses that the Bf is far more cost effective.

And this is only taking the farming in account, a Midas bring very little to the table in a fight unlike a BF which definitely raises an AM's dmg output considerably.

You can go Midas if you don't wanna get BF (early pressure) but still wanna be able to get some consistent farm.

ye getting midas will delay bf but i think it would b good if u can get it at 4mins mark or 6mins if not then ill just normally go bf str8 delaying it by that much wont hurt just my opinion

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if u think ur team cant handle 4v5 just go yasha vlad instead of bf

I think the only time worth getting a midas is after a battlefury and you are also stomping the other team.

the justification is primarily in that if you're guaranteed some level of farm (i.e. you're ahead) midas is fine because you end up getting battlefury+manta at a similar point in time

if you're behind then obviously that changes

if you're ahead and have space to farm you can finish treads>bfury>yasha>vlads>manta by 20 minutes

with space to farm you will be six-slotted by 30 and that midas is just wasting a slot, hell i would rather invest that amount of gold into a Vlads, which boosts your GPM by more and contributes more to fighting as well.

midas only slows down your item progression actually, people forget that the most efficient creep XP wise to use it on is also often the LEAST efficient gold-wise since you don't get the creep bounty... i can see it doing work in a non-fury build, for instance it might even work on kuroky's mael build but definitely not for fury....