General Discussionmael on dusa

A legit farm item. Not the best slot ever, but price/effect ratio is very good. Just don't make it when you're going Manta - that's retarded.

ppl will tilt when you buy it

on the other hand people tilt for buying linkens, for not buying linkens, for buying skadi, for skipping skadi, and for buying bkb

so do whatever the fuck you want

Dam well I wanna see if I can manage to mid medusa is drums good? I plan on getting phase Aquila for sure

just remember that drums is a transition item

Nah.

You already have AoE in Split Shot, and given that she's an agility hero Attack Speed items are less attractive on her, since items that give you Agility would give you both more AS as well as damage. It's not that Maelstroem is objectively bad on her, it's just that the opportunity-cost is too high.

dodo thats like saying you shouldn't buy AC on sven because you already have an aoe armor buff

But mask of madness is trash on medusa, while mjolnir is pretty good later in the game if you go tanky build.

^mom is the cheapest DPS item while the damage amp only kicks in after mana shield, meaning it has almost no drawback

mom's effect is negligible compare to the drawback, at the moment medusa is supposed to enter the game.

? i'm not sure i understand you matrice

attack speed has diminishing returns, so mom active is much less effective when dusa already has manta skadi bfly

i think thats what he means

@JDF8 Yeah, I go AC because of the AoE armour buff...

Given that Medusa an AoE ability that scales directly with your damage and agility, going an item that does little to boost it whilst also not getting any of the stats Medusa so desperately craves is sub-optimal.

it's a perfect analogy, because not all ac gives is armor and not all maelstrom gives is chain lightning

going yasha first is great and all, but when your lane inevitably gets camped by 3+ people you need something that lets you transition to jungling and pushing lanes efficiently

a medusa with phase aquila (wand) glove will farm 10000x faster than a medusa with phase aquila (wand) band

Zenoth he means this patch you can't just sit and farm so you need to fight and MoM may delay your fighting items too much. At least that's what I understood.

which is where i don't get it, since MoM is still the premier farming/fighting item on medusa

whether you want to fight now or farm now it's one of the best possible items for the lowest possible cost, as well as having a unique interaction with one of her spells which mitigates most of the drawbacks of the item.

put into context drums + yasha cost 3900 gold and are considered "early fighting items", yet MoM + point booster gives more DPS, mobility and EHP for only 3000 gold

but medusa doesn't tank enough with mom, even if it's more than most heroes. but a heroes with such low single target damage need to be endurante, with will not be the case with madness on.

And that's not about the patch.

With phase yasha you have enough mobility to get whole wood + a lane each minutes. so you don't need more, which is the only thing madness provide to medusa (and hell it even got nerfed)

Well MoM has a duration and it isn't that hard to kite her till it ends, especially after the MS nerf.

I just made a calculation of the DPS output of a lvl 9 medusa with your items suggestion and the following skillbuild:

3-0-1-1 and +4 in stats (I'd consider this fairly standard).

Band of Elvenskin version: 124,46 (99,568 with Splitshot)

Glove of Haste version: 128,26 (102,608 with Splitshot)

It only really matters what the highest HP critter in the camp has when it comes to farming speed, so no point in multiplying it.

Either way, that's a difference of less than 3% in farming speed. I'm all for hyperbole, but 3% is somewhat different from "10000x" faster.

EDIT: Also worth mentioning that it will not be 3% faster, since you still move at the same speed between camps.

ok clearly im incorrect :L

Eh well, my initial post was vague and imprecise, so I can see why you were provoked into countering with hyperbole. I'm sorry for my poor initial presentation.

If you're buying it, it's for the lightning shield. It's not more cost effective than other items from a DPS standpoint, but you can obviously get a lot of shield procs on a tanky hero.

But you wouldn't be buying it as your first big item, you'd be getting a major survivability item first after MoM. Remember, you only lose about 10-15% EHP with MoM due to how mana shield works, plus you get lifesteal from it.

think it should go well with bloodstone

I've tried malestrom only and mom only and I prefer mask (although I haven't tried it post patch, but doubt it'll sway me). I know people think you should take zero dmg farming jungle and shit but it's much quicker to just attack the creeps, pop mask and not worry about your hp than kite them back so you don't get hit. Mask lifesteal gives you pretty good sustain in lane, a ton more tower dmg than maelstrom, better ancient farming, and it's cheaper. I just find my farming better with mask and I definitely notice the missing lifesteal. I don't notice the missing lightnings because of split shot they aren't needed. Of course going mask then maelstrom then skadi if you have space is quite amazing. Your farm will be blistering fast then.

So my two favorite builds are:

Phase, aquila, mask, skadi, s&y, one big dps item daedulus/mkb/butterfly. After that go what's needed dps or tank.

Alternate farming build, phase, aquila, mask, maelstrom, skadi, mjollnir, big dps item, then what's needed.

Bkb against little shits like anti mage and assholes who build diffusal plus manta.