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ETd

    There was an Alch and Spec on the same team, so extremely greedy. Your CK got a 6 min midas and ended with a higher GPM than alch. you got a decent Aghs timing for a pos4 Warlock. Game over at that point.

    GhostDE

      Weird Razor pick for the safelane but you went utility and hopefully just tanked everything for your team.

      @comment about my last viper game: In my defense I was solo top against bristle and techies and I just tried to tank as much as I can for my teammates.

      Dogwater

        Game was undoubtedly hard but don’t use “I just tried to tank instead” as some sort of backup because 13 deaths is a lot and I’m sure you could have been more efficient in handling the laning stage to have more impact on the midgane which is where viper likes to be active. In the end you won so can’t complain

        Jack__Attack

          Your lineup was awful but you all nailed the laning stage which is where it counts to snowball. flexing a 12-0 kunkka for analyzation isnt giving me much to help you improve. Good job stomping them.

          YONEZIDA

            ALL NIGGЕRS SHOUD BE DEAD
            CHANGE MY MIND

            xDeprived

              ^ogre God

              Muhammad Sumbul

                Against a lineup like that going a bkb would have been a much better choice and you have no sustain items.With the current changes to omni rather than a bf , going mjholnir, manta,diffu would be more productive as it seems you didn't have anyone to outfarm or needed aoe clearence

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                Dogwater

                  Hmm looks like you recently came back to this account and have been playing a lot of turbo. Well judging from your bristleback game, pretty standard stuff maybe some more damage items would have been ok since it didn’t look like you were gonna be able to just sit in the middle of the fight doing bb things since their damage and silver edges can really mess with you and the threat of hook is always there. Might as well help out in the damage department

                  baicZ

                    Techies is cancer, you deserve to lose :P

                    GhostDE

                      damn... those are some assists! But why were you so poor?

                      miekuah-P

                        U shoulda gank that TA on midgame, she's good carry that can turn the tide of the battles.

                        cancer

                          don't play zeus as the ward bitch position, you're just asking to be slaughtered, your team probably came back because the enemy is largely tempo dependent.

                          gartoll

                            Don't feed dude.

                            GhostDE

                              Well... "Don't feed dude"

                              ETd

                                ROUGH Venge game. Your team had nobody who could really soak damage

                                GhostDE

                                  Skip me
                                  @ETdAWESOME well... we had a player who queued support (pos4), first picked Drow, played always alone and had us all muted I'd guess cause he never reacted to anything. So my safelaner went mid (not his best role he said), my offlaner had to support and my midlaner went offlane.

                                  Jack__Attack

                                    Etd I'm astounded at the fact that your team had no real position 1 carry hero. You were the only carry on your team yet had the least amount of kills. Clearly the laning stage was a main factor here. Laning wins games.

                                    ETd

                                      Skip me just replying to Jack
                                      We had safelane farming Shaker w Disruptor, offlane Necro w CM, I went mid w Huskar and shat on Alch and delayed his rad to 17 mins.

                                      haru yo koi

                                        It's interesting to see io pos 5, I think you could've gotten a bottle though. Instead of getting spirit vessel (your clock already had one) maybe you could've gotten solar crest earlier. The game looked pretty close, huge gold swings after 40 minutes. Now if that Jugg was an OD...

                                        Jack__Attack

                                          SKIP ME. Thanks most people here dont give meaningful input; you did. Guide I followed for this one didnt recommend bottle though I usually get it for io I completely missed that clock got vessel my bad. That jugg mid somehow spanked our viper, regardless both my Carries were quite tanky so made it easy to latch onto. I saved wk from 2 pickoffs and viper from 1.
                                          Did not know io is mostly a 4. I thought he goes 4 or 5

                                          miekuah-P

                                            U almost fked up in mid game but you handle it cool and clean

                                            Die by the sword

                                              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/5097071814

                                              Insight please.. I'm struggling with this loss!

                                              GhostDE

                                                You went greedy with a feeding team against a fed slark. 3 free itemslots, guardian greaves as your first major item, which is doing close to nothing against their team.
                                                You should have bought force against slark, euls is possible too, definately glimmercape...

                                                miekuah-P

                                                  Well that was quick, keep supporting your team like that and it gonna be ez win everytime

                                                  Dogwater

                                                    You won and did damage but died a lot. Maybe itemize or play around their innitiators better.

                                                    Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                      Because I like to have all kinds of things in my backpack.

                                                      Seriously desolator on LC against 3 agi picks is just not optimized at all. Against more STR/INT picks could be decent.

                                                      In an even game against decent ennemies that know how LC work, you should be thinking about an item to pop their future linkens (bloodthorn ? HH ? Aby ?) or BKB (doesnt apply on this lineup)

                                                      JDF8

                                                        Pretty straightforward game. I personally would have gone abyssal instead of skadi, because it lets you gap close on ember, keeps LC from hitting you in duel, and stops sunder. The game kinda shows how much value zeus has even when he doesnt do that well, especially against a hero like TB.

                                                        ETd

                                                          I completely understand your abandon, Void Spirit is hell to fight

                                                          manchild

                                                            Low gpm/xpm and bad farm but u had mkb and travel on i guess pos 4 snap? Could get better items to help ur team. Didnt deserve to win tbh :D

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                                                            Sygma zxc ghoul 2y.o dead...

                                                              You guys should have smoke pickedoff as 5 into racks with aegis, idk why your team wasted 2 minutes looking at the trees instead of just running at towers (not even at ennemies).
                                                              Lycan was still the most farmed on map and abba had no rad at that tempo.
                                                              Even if you ended up team wiped, you would have resurrected fast enough.

                                                              Other than that:
                                                              - Venge pick useless in your team against their drafts.
                                                              - Sky losing to ember mid, lol.
                                                              - Sky getting lotars minute 20 whereas there are ennemy sentries everywhere.
                                                              - Lycan pos1 first pick, lol
                                                              - Lycan games are meant to be played 4 - 1 and you had only rasta as real big teamfight pick in early.
                                                              - 3 one-target lockdown only

                                                              KUKULAMIN KA BUT THE K IS...

                                                                ahha nic nings gaem