General DiscussionNeed help on itemizing AM when team is down?

nah you didn't need BKB
only sleep is their non piercing BKB disable, and fiend's grip and duel both pierces BKB
It's just a matter of not being efficient enough in the early game, positioning, or just simply the draft

Against that kind of quad core lineup you have to make sure to hit your timings and end the game before they all inevitably become too big to deal with. I don't know what your lane was like but against offlane TA I'd expect to get 13 minute BF and 20 minute manta, at that point you should be able to choke them out of map control especially with a techies. Aim to end around 30-40 with linkens+abyssal.

against ultra greedy lineup this is what should've happened
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2500977038
you snowball and you end fast

also never rush BF pls
get treads first or even with PMS like I usually do
you'll farm way faster than going naked boots into BF

u buy pt after bf

^ wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

ALWAYS pt first jesus this is simple stuff people

There is absolutely zero reason to go pt before bf

i assume ur trying to trigger me or something

u will farm faster going pt -> bf, assuming you know how to abuse neutrals

you will also be harder to kill, kill the tier 1 faster, and have more blinks

and it will be much easier to kill the offlaner

treads greatly enhances the regen of ur ROH because you sit on agi treads and switch to str every time u take damage from everything that isnt a neutral (enemy hero, skills, tower shot etc)

http://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/anti-mage/guides

no bf before treads in the first 2 pages,

third page 1 game where someone went ultra greed and only got the glove of haste before BF, and one game where he skipped it for fast travels

so people get treads first at least 90% of the time in serious games

my english sucks

i meant after not before lul

i myself never do it (sometimes even go headdress pt before fury)

my b

you farm pretty slowly

"you should always just go Treads and then Battle Fury." - quote from black^ talking about anti mage in a recent interview.

http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/513667-a-closer-look-at-anti-mage

You were missing 1 slot still, if you had butterfly already you could have won.

As others said you should always get treads before bf, you finished bf with brown boots in 15 minutes (pretty late) then it took you 2 minutes to get the treads and then 11 minutes to finish manta, its way too much time imo. But I havent seen the game so i dont really know if you were being pressured a lot by the lc.

Btw what do you guys think of double ring of health before finishing bf? I did it a couple games where we had another vlads carrier and I was forced to jungle because lane was extremely hard. Not sure if I should just finished vanguard and then move onto the bf, however it worked pretty nice.

I have a solution for you: don't pick AM so you actually win the game.