General DiscussionVlads vs Vanguard on Anti-mage

yasha

just think it urself what does vanguard give to u? and what vlads offer u. I'm sure it's not difficult to figure it out.

just think it urself what does vanguard give to u? and what vlads offer u. I'm sure it's not difficult to figure it out.

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Have somebody else go vlads. Am needs all his item slots to be useful items, vanguard building into abyssal is much better imo

If ur team has a good vlads carrier like aba go vang. Otherwise u can go vlads

u only need vlads in u gonna constantly splitpush (cuz of 4 armor buff to creeps obviously). U build vg if u get raped on lane or u r going for saber build

Vlads is good against blademail's and tanky cores, however I skip it in most games after the vanguard into abyssal change. Still worth it in many games tho.

if the enemy have a very agressive line up, and ur team needs u early, vanguard, otherwise, vlads..

vanguard has recently getting famous only b'cuz abyssal blade rework, but id always look it like a good early option for am.. high magix resistance, high armor and dmg block make him very tanky early on

vanguard USUALLY

What happens then to the casual headress u built cuz of hard lane? Or shud it not be a headress and just a ring of health?

sometimes it turns into a vlads and sometimes you sell it, it depends

> If they have insane harass damage, or they have a hero that forces you to fight them (LC/Axe/Some others) you buy vlads.

> If you are getting buttraped in lane, get a headdress.

> If you do not have a CM or lots of arcane boots, buy basi after battlefury.

> If you are expecting to be able to fight before battlefury, go rush Vanguard.

> If you aren't afraid of silences/etc. but might die to sheer DPS/stun Vanguard after battlefury is ok.

> If none applies, go rush manta.

I barely ever buy vanguard or vlads after BF, usually I go straight manta with a raindrop for mana regen. If I have space I go vlads if they are knocking on my tier 3s I'd probably buy vanguard but that situation is rare anyway and the game is probably cooked if you have to do it.

just get a headdress instead of vlads or vanguard early since you'll make abyssal after manta normally anyway

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You know what is better than vlads or vanguard on am?

Not picking am so you can actually win your game.

the reason you can't win with AM isnt that the hero is bad, it's that you're bad

BF, Eblade (for attack speed and damage) Dagon 5. (to finish off people who survived mana void)

I tired battlefury into linkens rush a few times against target stun teams It worked out well.

pfff 54% lUL xd

I have an 80% void winrate

100% necro winrate lol

the sad thing is, i don't know if you're trying to be funny or actually a moron.

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Jk i love u marlan.

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3 situation giv u 3 choice.
1.ur team need you badly (manta into vlads)
2. They need you to win midgame fight by killing supp(need mediocrely) (vlad yasha into solo roshan)
3. Free space could split push(bf manta abbysal)

^ normal skill advice

i dont see the point of headress , altho ive seen rtz get it a couple of times
isnt just a casual roh much better? double regen and builds into abysal/linkens later

I skip vlad if my team got one

i think the reasoning behind the headdress is cuz it pushes the wave and since ur getting assblasted (the reason why u buy one) ur wave is always pushing into your tower so it helps you keep the wave stable or something IDFK

i guess you can just buy ring of regen or a 2nd ring of health who cAREs LMFAOxD xDXD

kind of a stretch for headress to be a depush tbh

yea idk man its just slightly better than ring of regen but costs almost twice as much so i assume rtz buys it for the aura. maybe cuz it helps his support stay higher HP too idfk

Headdress is cheaper with easier build up

it's approx half the cost of a RoH for half the HP regen but it also gives you +2 all stats and the aura helps ur support and creeps stay more alive i guess

seems good i guess

F O U R T Y H P P O I N T S ! ! ! !

its easy to get ror and build a headress after roh, saving for a second roh is extremely impossible

plus when ur tanking neuts ur hp remains kinda static or increases v slowly with just roh, so the +3regen pushes it over into the green and you regen much faster than you would think

no i meant like a casual roh, meaning 2 roh in laning stage

thats a lot of gold !! 1 !!

are you going to delay ur treads for that second roh? because the treads are hella useful

who cAREs LMFAOxD xDXD

roh + headdres regen is so gud in hard lanes, then u can always hit hte jungle a lot earlier

no im saying like sometimes you see antimage with treads headress roh qb im saying if you want regen i rather you go tredas roh roh qb

^i dont think u ever need to go 2 ROHs. headdress is more than enough and cheaper. its mroe expensive to get a casual one when youre just gonna sell anyway.