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General Discussionwhat's the point of drafting a carry now?

what's the point of drafting a carry now? in General Discussion
Reese

    just draft mid + offlane + 3 supports that will scale into late game with retarded talents
    cdec (or ehome?) drafted a jakiro with pike+deso+daedalus

    some of the talents are completely nonsense: lich gets +150 damage and free skadi, omni +100 dmg, bh gets a 1s cd guaranteed crit and +100 dmg

    so you just draft 3-5 supports and build rightclick items, go as 5 all game, win early and late. No one needs a guy that just farms

    what do you think?

    Taupegold

      The point of a carry is to be a late game threat but the problem is that no games last till late game right now

      bearcat0611

        most of these heroes will still get out classed by a traditional carry on equal footing in the late game.

        monk, tibetan

          I tried playing offlane Veno. +20% xp into level 20 +75 damage is pretty sweet.

          clueless clown

            Hmm. This could work but you have to remember that with shrines, its slightly harder to " win " lanes. As long as the opponent cant stall long enough if they have some inactive early-mid game carry, you should win. But if they have shit like ursa or jug that can fight relatively earlier, i think it would be abit of an issue as the game progresses.

            Jacked

              everyone is level 25 at 40 mins anyway. u are right

              Reese

                @TAUPEGOLD and bearcat0611: so what? 5 supports lineup is stronger in the early game as well, you can win fast and if you don't you have very good lategame potential

                clueless clown

                  Yeah so i feel if you ban those carries that can fight early, you will win most games

                  Father Jack from Marketing

                    Most of my games are going an average of 50 mins and ive played about 20 rounds in in 7.0 - They have definetely made supporting more fun though and I can see a Treant nerf coming at some point soon, you can literally annihilate a low hp solo offlaner at lvl 1 with boots and orb.

                    dead

                      I can see it, if you draft that way, you will take the early game, get kills, fast lvlup to use your op talents
                      seemsgood

                      bearcat0611

                        so basically were advocating for safe lane carry lich and omni. Bounty is much more effective as a roamer than a sit in lane and kill creeps carry. Also a lot of what makes these heroes strong possibilities as carries doesnt come on line until your 20 or 25 at which the enemy carry is probably in a decent spot of his own unless you are really ahead.

                        I3ambi

                          Personally, I feel like high ground is allot harder to take then before.

                          Also the reason to get carries in non-captians mode is to first pick monkey King.

                          monk, tibetan

                            PA mid, Beastmaster offlane, roaming ogre and 2 extra supports gg?

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                              Pls do not compare pubs to pro games.
                              DO NOT build carry jakiro in my games ty

                              🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                Why? Same as every other patch: someone with strong physical and item scaling to dish out endgame damage and most importantly

                                PUSH FUKIN TOWERS

                                doc joferlyn simp
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                                  Riguma Borusu

                                    omg cooky waving his 7k dick again

                                    y push towers

                                    you can farm the jungle when 5 heroes are dead

                                    stoopid cooky

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                                      🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                        Fite me bruh, ill trash your 1k gpm ta with my 1.1k GPM arc

                                        Xyp9x
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                                          casual gamer

                                            i wish i could win normal skill games

                                            clueless clown

                                              Lmao whats up with this 1k gpm ta guy. He has literally bombarded the forums

                                              dead

                                                Whoever he is, he must be really good with ta

                                                evy

                                                  So that the carries can farm fuckton of gold and feed my TA so I can get 1000 GPM

                                                  Xyp9x
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                                                    Millicent of Scarlet Aeonia

                                                      1k gpm in normal games, is like 300 gpm in vhs, xoxo little pleb.

                                                      Xyp9x
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                                                        Millicent of Scarlet Aeonia

                                                          Never you're SEA pro player. 1k sea = 8k south america.

                                                          Goji

                                                            He posted the same link in my thread lol. That guy must be so proud of himself.

                                                            Goji

                                                              I was just wondering if Valve intentionally made the patch this way to discourage 5-carry teams?

                                                              dead

                                                                This patch imo, leans more towards pushing and fighting.

                                                                evy

                                                                  But there is NO WAY Valve would stop idiots from going 5 man carry
                                                                  I can't pick shits like weaver, naga, etc without transitioning into a support 90% of the time because of these clowns
                                                                  But then again I'd rather become the sacrificial lamb than insisting myself to go core with an idiotic creep autoattacking idling "support"

                                                                  evy

                                                                    Obviously deathball strat will be more relevant, last time it was meta af was 6.85, right?

                                                                    fear is the mind killer

                                                                      nice thread btw

                                                                      1-IceTea 🌟

                                                                        I really laught out (not too loud) when I saw 'This comment was removed by a moderator an hour ago' on saiyans post FeelsGoodMan. :D

                                                                        I just saw this post not sure what he commend tho, somethings like 1K GPM TA?
                                                                        Aren't he just make a everyone GPM will decrease tread few days before?

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                                                                        Jacked

                                                                          this patch is dogshit. carries are dogshit. they are just a bag of comeback gold.

                                                                          Johnny Rico

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                                                                            meteor hammer

                                                                              i mean idk why people dont pick lich mid and just snowball out of control

                                                                              the hero is now super dominant at every stage of the game, crushes laning, gets XP way faster than anyone else, and is basically unkillable with pike+armor and his stupid fucking MS

                                                                              Filthy

                                                                                Nice job by moderators removing that guy was annoying .

                                                                                JNS

                                                                                  Idk i am seeing less support now around the 3K mark. Every game no matter what lane or roll I am finding myself doing position 5 purchases just because the backpack has made it easy to swap and ward or carry some of that gear now. Imo it's due to a lot of new players trying the game out.

                                                                                  Shou

                                                                                    Lich just doesnt do well without chain frost in teamfights imo.

                                                                                    BirdyBro

                                                                                      Jakiro has always been capable of playing a core position. Your example of CDEC's draft is ridiculous because you didn't realize that Jakiro can be a core, and always has been able to play as a core. Another unorthodox core we've seen before is EG drafting Tidehunter Carry for Fear way back when.

                                                                                      Obamacare

                                                                                        ......jakirooo.....

                                                                                        Rain

                                                                                          I've always wanted to try omni with silver edge mjolnir AC abyssal satanic daedulus + hyperstone and BoTs.

                                                                                          Guess this patch gives me the ideal opportunity

                                                                                          meteor hammer

                                                                                            https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2849168497

                                                                                            not terrible

                                                                                            you are are very weak lv 14-19 where your nukes have fallen off a little and you haven't picked up +150 damage or your free skadi, then you have 2 massive power spikes. i solo roshed at lvl 20 and raxxed them easily

                                                                                            Jacked

                                                                                              ^ROFL thats just so disgusting... when u introduce talents like that all at once, some are just bound to be broken. gonna take forever to balance this shit

                                                                                              meteor hammer

                                                                                                Jacked

                                                                                                  thx for the tips. my pubs are gonna suffer worse than a techies game

                                                                                                  Rain

                                                                                                    u know u guys don't need to go with these awkward "carry" heroes if u want damage + early game. You have the new venge for that.

                                                                                                    % based increased damage. FTW. Get an AC and daedulus and consume hyperstone, and this hero becomes a fkn gattling tank

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                                                                                                    meteor hammer

                                                                                                      yup

                                                                                                      treads domi dlance silver edge pike or even shit like deso, manta, bkb

                                                                                                      any stat item on venge is multiplied by ur crazy perks, wolf aura and vengeance aura. you easily hit for over 400-500 at 25

                                                                                                      Rain

                                                                                                        yeah i forgot the dominater.

                                                                                                        So lets go over her talents we'll take to construct the true damge beast

                                                                                                        lvl 10: +25 attck speed
                                                                                                        lvl 15: +8 all stats
                                                                                                        lvl 20: +50 damage
                                                                                                        lvl 25: +20% vengeance aura

                                                                                                        holy fuck