General DiscussionDEALING SF IN MID (2K MMR SEA)

^deal with one? As in how to play against one? Wtf r u asking?

Pressure him at lv 1 get attack damage item to out cs him

I would ask support rotations, but its 2k sea, so just pick ta or any hero that can get up close to sf
Also keep the pressure up, sf is so weak lvl 1-2. Bully him out of the lane

You cant

In PA who always spam dagg is it any good?

@Daddy what i meant was how do you deal with him in lane.Just wanted to know your insights about it.

He is extremely weak lvl 1, any mid hero with any ability/dmg lvl 1 can fuck him up. Ursa, ta, invoker with exort, viper, razor, pa.

You outCS him or destroy him when he still doesn't have any souls
In the midgame you shit on him with physical damage to make his BKB inefficient, preferably with minus armor strat

Tinker .-.

If sf can't get enough souls.His razes will be the next problem.

Well in my recent 2k matches.Playing SF in mid can shit any hero.PA with low health can easily get killed with lvl.3 razes unless if he has a raindrop in which they don't do always buy.

Most SF in 2k are bad anyway
If you somehow are playing against one on mid you can just do everything people suggested here

ahahaha Lina rekts SF
Get souls more damage?
No problem man out lasthit my fire damage

Pick brood mid ez lane

Yeah 2k sf 20 mins still no sb or any decent items.Only boots and aquila souls:18.

@Cheap Laugh Guy
Well I havent deal Lina in mid yet but i'm pretty sure dodging is the answer to that.He probably wont spam skills unless if i'm facing the creeps.

@fx idk picking brood then buys sentry in lane razes those spiderlings=ez souls

"If sf can't get enough souls.His razes will be the next problem."

Buy infused raindrop, casual magic cloak, support rotations... kill the demon.

sniper and tinker raped sf just sayin

Tinker forces SF to get eul which isn't that good on pubs with uncoordinated team

Sf is one of the hardest heroes to deal with in mid u need to hurt his farm at early levels and support rotations , ward his jungle taking mid tower early hurts him a midlaner with wave clear is good since he will push with razes keep up with his farm try take his runes so he cant spam razes and when he gets shadowblade make sure u got sentries when pushing because dust will do u nothing when he ultis under u

Why euls if you can manta

Eul to remove tinky winky before he can do anything to rape him in teamfight
Manta only helps if you can catch him and BEFORE HE GETS AGHANIM

Eul costs like 3k gold and helps you to kill tinker instantly when you catch him
Manta costs 5k gold and helps you to purge the laser miss or dodge his projectile once, gives some higher dps, and is kinda effective until he gets aghanim and blinds all your illusions and your hero, doesn't really help you catching him out
I'll take the eul

euls is a tinker solution

id get blink too but im not an sf player

I used to build blink and euls.That if the enemy team got no lockdowns.

Blink>euls tinker>cast ulti>es comes and stun>DEAD SF

theres a bkb in there somewhere

^if you keep find a scenario and find the absolutely perfect solution,there is none

Yes bkb is the answer.But what I don't have one.Oh I just found out that if you bought a BKB from early game and constantly used until its only 5 secs immunity.It won't reser to 13 secs if you sell it and then buy it again.

(JUST 2K THINGS)

Haha u want to Know Sf weakness And How to deal with it !

Sorry mate I Know very well to dumbstered every 2k Sf but om not gonna tell u !

Sf is cancer if u dont Know How to deal with him

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/174444028/matches?hero=shadow-fiend

You'd think you can make this player dumbstered??

SF can outplay heroes with his razes. I suggest sniper and max out his range to deal with harass. Shrapnel is pretty good because you can put him out of position which would grant you a kill. You can ask a support to block the nearby camps with wards.

If you are up to half good brood you will die 3 or more times before you have lv 3 razes

PA against SF in mid? LOL. Magic Wand will wreck PA. SF's power spike starts at lvl 3. he can raze and zone out PA at level 3. EZ farm for SF.

SF is so weak against solid mid heroes early but he makes up with his insane damage output and flash farming ability up until mid game. Tinker, Invo, TA and heck even Viper wrecks him for the first 10 mins

why "even Viper"? I thought the hero was a lane dominator.

i suppose you just pick him first

Yeh~ Sf vs Viper surely SF will have a hard time in lane.

Get oracle mid and use 2nd on him and 3rd on urself .. Get infused raindrop .. This is the only way
Or get invoker mid .. Stay there for 2 min and leave lanw go jungle.. This cud work but enable auro deny option in settings so ur creeps can dently themselves when they have low hp

Sf may have a power spike at 3, pa has one at 2, and can easily zone him out.

He is extremely weak lvl 1, any mid hero with any ability/dmg lvl 1 can fuck him up. Ursa, ta, invoker with exort, viper, razor, pa

KAPPA123

oh shit running on ur hg lv1 under 4 creeps to FUCK U UP SON

^im pretty sure pms is an item
Obv if sf gets a good block this becomes harder but u can also get a good block
Trading with someone with 38 dmg and creeps as ursa with pms still seems good but maybe im wrong.

if youre mid i think you just pick a ta and youre fine

Lanaya

fail mid detected

haha me never use ulti on sf coz I don't know I replace SB with deso

my god these creative shitposters

nobody 1 by 1 in mid at high level dude, if 1 by 1 sure it hink sf can zone out most of any hero :)

You literally just have to make sure he gets no last hits lmao

And a good broodmother will shit on an sf from level 2 onwards. You have no idea how strong this hero is.