General Discussion

General DiscussionFor everyone thinking vanguard is a horrible item on spec

For everyone thinking vanguard is a horrible item on spec in General Discussion
Quick maffs

    Dude you need those stats so your illusions of your long CD ulti who are usually ignored mid game gets 170 ~ hp more.

    and the mana dude so you can spam your one skill and your long cd ulti

    and the MS because you dont have a skill that makes you go fast

    and that 12 damage ? and 3 damage to your illusions ? OP

    Drums best spectre item very cost effective OP

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      ^I guess you could say the same about Luna, Slark, Naix, and every other hero in dota.

      Satellizer

        drums is best item

        Quick maffs

          Other heroes do actually benefit from the item

          They all need mana they actually chase a lot.

          Drums is going to make no difference in the damage that your ulti does, i dont see how you would win a fight with drums but you would lose it with vanguard.

          I dont even care if you hate vanguard on spectre, but saying that vanguard is bad in spectre but drums is good is bullshit.

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            i said its good because it benefits the team as well as your illusions, not just for the illusions.

            Also, here is the VOD of 3 naga illusions getting a double kill

            http://www.twitch.tv/eatsleepplaytv/b/517307808
            36:24

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            Quick maffs

              I agree with you but spectre illusions are different, they usually are ignored in the fights so i would say that your hero HP matters the most, and yes drums benefits your team but someone else can get it.

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                sure you can try to ignore them, but aoe is a always a factor in teamfights. also, drums has an active that gets burned through so quickly, its often picked up by more than one hero, and what happens if you dont have a drums holder on your team other than spectre?

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                  not having a drums holder isnt life or death

                  nowhere close really

                  buildup is better for vang, offers more survivability so you can be on the front lines more but offers less to the team as a whole, plus stats are actually quite nice on spec since her manapool is kinda godawful.

                  dont see why we cant see that both have different benefits and that they're both good items

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