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Quick maffs

    Is there any way you can make this piece of shit hero work ?

    Please tell me how because i cant see it

    and pls, dont tell me something like " omg just farm a satanic and AC and you are fine "

    Zenoth

      capitalize on his strengths

      shit on everyone in lane and snowball

      he's a very risky hero because his sole disable puts him in a very forward position and he has no comeback mechanism through farming...

      playing huskar needs a very different mindset from typical heroes.

      Dipshit

        Ban Doom. Snowball out of control in mid game. Don't let late game happen.

        sleave

          win your lane
          snowball from there

          kill
          do not die

          win

          ez

          Quick maffs

            Can you make him work in mid zenoth ? I mean getting a kill on lane with huskar is not actually easy, you can zone out the opponent and get farm but still if you cant kill the enemy mid at 6 i dont know what you can do. ( For example against a storm you aint killing him at 6 )

            I am starting to think that he works better in a dual lane than in mid.

            btw maybe midas ? i mean if you fall behind at least you can save yourself a bit instead of just sucking the entire game

            btw once i saw a blademail huskar, maybe its ok ? or its bad ?

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            ♨Dacheat♨

              1. Max his Spears.

              2. Orb walk enemy.

              3. Harass them out of mid or kill them.

              4. Push enemy-less lane.

              5. If you're 6, go ganking. If not, just enjoy the freefarm.

              You can manfight pretty much any hero earlygame with your Spears.

              Trodlabundin

                Go mid, buy mek, zone out enemy/kill if out of position with spears(orbwalking) win game.

                You need to capitalize on his earlygame strenghts.

                Obviously you can also go safelane, get ur mek and start getting objectives. Towers -> Rosh.

                This hero does also rape OD mid.

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                Dipshit

                  People underestimate the damage of burning spears, keep in mind they stack. It's not uncommon to get a kill at level 3 with his spears and orb walking alone. Remember, each stack is 10 damage per second for 8 seconds at level 2(before resist). 3 stacks and they can't use healing items(other than tango).

                  I wouldn't really call blade mail....advisable. Hitting huskar with ethereal and blade mailing yourself when he ults you on the other hand...

                  Before you ask...going Aghs without at least going hood(preferably pipe) is not recommended either. Which makes it too farm intensive for a gank based hero.

                  I also don't recommend Midas. Yes you can get out more stacks, but you'll also kill yourself faster. And he's a mid-game hero, not a late game.

                  Mа§таÐøøм

                    follow the manly guide to huskar, use wizard build.

                    ♨Dacheat♨

                      Oh, and buy smokes for yourself.

                      Trodlabundin

                        Huskar can be a strong lategame hero paired up with Pugna. A combo that can instakill even a 6slotted Spectre. (Nearly, not completely.)
                        However that's just a theory, in a real game Spectre would probably had buyback, boughtback and ult.

                        Quick maffs

                          Really cool tips guys, in another words if you kill people SOMEHOW you win the game ?

                          Cool, but what if they have not only phy damage but also stuns ? Its really awkard for me that a hero designed to take almost no magical damage needs to get bkb in order to actually fight, you guys are all saying that you can actually win a early fight with him with almost no items, well i find that hard to believe unless you have a good amount of crowd control in your team and almost 0 in the enemy team.

                          I saw a game ( i think in sing stream ) not long ago when a team had a safe lane huskar, he farmed pretty well and got satanic and healvens halberd THEN he started being really good.

                          Is there anyone who can mantain something like 60 % winrate with him at high mmr ?

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                          Trodlabundin

                            Builds I've seen in comp. play with Huskar is Treads, Mek(+Urns sometimes), Bkb, Satanic.

                            I hated this hero after they changed him, thus I just lost with him didnt really care.
                            However after I changed my build to the "common" in pro play, with going mek, I have 100% winrate. It's only 3 games, yh, but those games was won with a Huskar with high game impact.

                            Zenoth

                              i have 60% with him, am at 5.7k solo

                              but havent touched this hero much in recent patches

                              i still think he has the potential though, will get around to playing him abit more

                              Quick maffs

                                Well i am going to try mek, is just really frustrating to play a hero who has a ult than most of the time puts him in a bad position.

                                I just checked and somehow i have a positive winrate with him, but every game i KILL and i DIE a lot, a LOT

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                                ♨Dacheat♨

                                  1v1 Huskar is very strong early because of his Burning Spears. If you're mid you will most likely be able to harass their mid heavily with your orb walking.

                                  Burning Spears are an extra 40/80/120/160 damage on your autoattacks, and they stack. You don't "somehow" kill or harass them out of lane, you buy a few extra Tangoes and burn them to death. Few heroes can deal with that kind of harass.

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                                  Quick maffs

                                    Ok, so they just sit mid far from you and get exp

                                    After that you farm something like treads in mek while he has nothing but a bottle

                                    ok

                                    after that what ? you try to gank ? well that must be cool, but if the enemy has some phy damage and some crowd control you explain me how i kill someone.

                                    For example: http://dotabuff.com/matches/464663518

                                    So, i still need a bkb because of timber, i need AC because of weaver, and i still get raped by the bkb witch + dazzle combo ( grave on witch gets him a full ulti )

                                    What i am trying to say is that unless you have a good amount of items i dont see how you can actually fight, and if you think about it why huskar instead of TA or Slark or even Bloodseeker ?

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                                    Dipshit

                                      Yea, the burning spear damage is no joke early game. Late game it falls off just because of how long it takes to do the damage(8 seconds). Also he's not much a team fighter(not anymore than a hero like sniper is), he's very gank oriented and when you're ganking you should never be in a situation where they can simply lock you down and kill you instead.

                                      I have a 77% winrate with him and almost always high impact(double digit kills/assists) so I like to believe I know at least something about him xD

                                      The rule is, you either snowball out of control and late game doesn't happen or you get shutdown and are useless. Pretty much the moment you need to focus on survival, you've lost. His w/e is powerful, but not powerful enough to carry you over a late-game carry.

                                      Dipshit

                                        Huskar is pretty bad against a Weaver. His spears melt him in early game, but once he has ult, doesn't matter.
                                        If witch doctor has bkb, game has gone too long.

                                        Only items you really need are brown boots, armlet, and hotd imo.

                                        Huskar's strength is the fact that his W absolutely abuses people that don't have items.

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                                        ♨Dacheat♨

                                          You turn Burning Spears on auto-cast, ult them and right click them to death. You're going to be ganking side lanes so it's not like you're going to be solo killing. You'll likely have at least 1 other hero helping you and if you can't bring down someone with your ult and rightclicks with a partner they must be a super tanky hero like Centaur.

                                          Obviously don't dive on someone who has an easy escape like Weaver. Just go for the easy kills. Your goal is to destroy them early so they can't get their luxury items up.

                                          Edit: Huskar has counters, just like every other hero. Obviously he won't work in every situation.

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                                          [Lk].Zano

                                            Huskar is not to be the main carry, if you fail, you should at least have a more reliable carry farming with the space you are creating for him. Don't try to teamfight with him, he's too susceptible to CC considering he wants to have some hp missing.

                                            Not too sure why I haven't played him. He seems to be a more fun to play Viper.

                                            sleave

                                              weavers ult do not dispell spears stacks

                                              Dipshit

                                                "weavers ult do not dispell spears stacks"
                                                No but it does "heal" the damage they dealt.

                                                sleave

                                                  yea you get hp from 5 secs or so ago
                                                  but still it will do a good amount of dmg on weaver. usually i manfight huskar, i kill him, ult, and the stacked dmg takes away half of my hp so it might work on 1v1 but in teamfights its risky to pick weaver just to """counter""" huskar

                                                  Quick maffs

                                                    I might try him more on bot games and play some normal games and see if i can go somewhere with him, but i dont feel like i do with templar or slark where i can pick them in almost every game and be regular with them, huskar for me is like a bet.

                                                    Dipshit

                                                      @Sleave
                                                      Oh I wouldn't pick weaver to counter Huskar either. Huskar will just never kill him is all. If I want to counter Huskar I just go Doom cuz loldoom.

                                                      "huskar for me is like a bet."
                                                      Welcome to high risk/high reward?

                                                      ♨Dacheat♨

                                                        He's definitely much more easily countered than Slark or TA. He's very situational, not an everygame pick.

                                                        [Lk].Zano

                                                          Huskar...and pretty much any hero who has an orb effect is stupid to play with bots. They just panic from getting attacked, throw their CC when their health is red and then die anyway. Better practice him in some lobby games with some friends.

                                                          casual gamer

                                                            dont listen to dipshit never ever get pipe on huskar or antimage

                                                            Quick maffs

                                                              Good idea zano

                                                              Dipshit

                                                                "dont listen to dipshit never ever get pipe on huskar or antimage"
                                                                Should I rephrase the part where I said takes too long to be effective? Or perhaps the part about the moment you start focusing on survival you've lost?

                                                                Pipe + Wand on AM against Zeus is one of my favorite pass times though :'( EDIT: http://dotabuff.com/matches/160317049 there it is. Beating down Zeus' rax while he's spamming his hardest to kill me(<100 health) while his team is dead :D trollololol

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                                                                King of Low Prio

                                                                  bot games do not help you learn a hero.....

                                                                  Dipshit

                                                                    Eh...they help you learn the skills...game or two with bots...then off to real games...

                                                                    Quick maffs

                                                                      Well they helped me learn tinker a lot, i know huskar is not tinker but still you always learn something, i dont really have time lately to play a full 40+ minutes game so yeah

                                                                      Trodlabundin

                                                                        Pipe AM? Well ok, Dip shit.

                                                                        Zenoth

                                                                          ugh dipshit skill bracket: normal

                                                                          you are free to experiment with what works in your bracket, and be proud of it, but i would not recommend you try to propagate it amongst players who face far more competent opponents on average

                                                                          sleave

                                                                            getting pipe on AM is similar to building refresher on tinker......

                                                                            Dipshit

                                                                              lol I'd like to point out "over a year ago"

                                                                              Trodlabundin

                                                                                lol I'd like to point out "still normal bracket after 1 year"

                                                                                stop ur shit srsly

                                                                                @SLEAVE:

                                                                                Getting refresher lategame on Tinker is legit cause it refreshes instant, then u have 4 items that get off cd 1sec earlier than they usually would, also refresher can't be "stopped", which rearm can.

                                                                                It's gamechanging dude

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                                                                                Quick maffs

                                                                                  Holy shit i do not care about flaming him cause he got pipe on am 1 year ago

                                                                                  If i am winning i get 6 mask of madness, so what ?

                                                                                  Lets get back to the point, i wish someone did like that h-god guy and got to 6k mmr by only playing huskar

                                                                                  Twitch.tv/Pay2lose

                                                                                    Just don't play like a dumbass and you will win most of your games with Huskar. Everytime I see someone else play Huskar, they try to 1v5 or to do some absolutely retarded yolo plays, which obviously never end proficiently.

                                                                                    [Lk].Zano

                                                                                      Impossible. Both the manliness of OmiKnight and the sick power of the Lich are too stronk for Huskar to compare.

                                                                                      Quick maffs

                                                                                        he did it with WK

                                                                                        [Lk].Zano

                                                                                          Huskar too weak WK too stronk

                                                                                          Edit: Oh, I think you weren't speaking about LightKnight69, I don't think he reached 6k anyway. Still, I'll play some Huskar games when I have some time to actually play.

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                                                                                          Trodlabundin

                                                                                            roflmaodoaskda I didn't read the other comments earlier, but I saw armlet suggested)))

                                                                                            1. Armlet has fallen off after armlet toggle nerf, which is very easy to controll now.
                                                                                            What are you gonna do as huskar with brown boots + Armlet? XD

                                                                                            Actually I'm not gonna write some real suggestions cause seems like most of the people here doesn't have much understanding of dota anyways

                                                                                            R O F L, funshit. Dipshit du er veldig dum.

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                                                                                            Quick maffs

                                                                                              Armlet is still legint on huskar in my opinion because of the extra hp, its a pretty big amount and huskar doesnt really care about ending a fight with 1 hp, he can heal himself or lifesteal back, remenber it gives armor too.

                                                                                              A ITEM IS NOT USELESS CAUSE IT GOT A MINIMUN NERF, the only difference is that before every fucking hero in dota was buying armlet, now you actually need to think before using the toggle, the toggle of armlet was never the reason why the item existed anyway it was the cheap damage armor hp in exchange of hp over time and huskar does not care about hp over time.

                                                                                              this whole meta bullshit about not using a item because of a minimun nerf is stupid

                                                                                              Dipshit

                                                                                                Alongside all that, level 1 Q under 40% pretty much counters the degen of the armlet by itself. And let's face it, armlet is just amazing on pretty much every str hero.

                                                                                                I may not be 5k+ atm, but I sure as hell can theorycraft xP

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                                                                                                Androgynous

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                                                                                                  phase > treads, huskar already has an attack speed steroid, so getting attack damage is better for dps than attack speed, and vice-versa (you get attack speed on tiny, not more damage). plus you can bully your lane so much harder with the 24 damage, and also chase better if/when life break is on cooldown.

                                                                                                  a basic build would probably be phase, optional urn, armlet then bkb.

                                                                                                  banana

                                                                                                    Well, obviously you don't pick huskar against lineups full of physical and pure damage, huskar's strength lies in his magic resistance.

                                                                                                    The problem with huskar is that he needs to remain alive after diving enemy teams. You need to pick heroes that can keep him alive.

                                                                                                    Dazzle works WONDERS. You can just dual offlane dazzle/huskar and crush their safelane.

                                                                                                    Other heroes that would be good: healers or big CCs

                                                                                                    .  .

                                                                                                      All this theorycrafting in this thread goes to dumpster when enemy picks viper mid

                                                                                                      BronzeLeagueHero

                                                                                                        ^i agree with the guy above me^

                                                                                                        Basically, pick huskar only when they rely on nuking you (non-pure), and just shit on them.

                                                                                                        items to grab (not in order) would be:
                                                                                                        1.Phase boots-need to chase
                                                                                                        2. urn-after battle healing helps
                                                                                                        3. armlet-dps and self dmg actually helps you
                                                                                                        4. aghs-for dunking harder
                                                                                                        5. bkb-for pure dmg people like timber
                                                                                                        6. deso-for shitting on the enemy because why the hell not
                                                                                                        7. helm of the dominater- for lifesteal because lifesteal op
                                                                                                        8. MoM-for ultimate trolling, i do not recommend this at all but if you want to YOLO....
                                                                                                        9. AC-yeah, i know that you said not to list this, but grab it anyway, if it is THAT late in the game, or just fed
                                                                                                        10. Statanic-too much money in your pocket, or its way too late in the game for you to shine.
                                                                                                        11. Skadi-wow its reached there. basically for the BURN factor. your ult already super slows, so don't get this untill 45 mins elapse or something
                                                                                                        12. heart-good pick up after lots of dps, good healing after battle
                                                                                                        13. shivas-if someone already has a AC on your team

                                                                                                        i do not recommend hood (because magic resistance stacks decreasingly)

                                                                                                        DO NOT MAX SPEAR FIRST. max it second. early on the self damage is way too much on yourself. and ignore your heal because of mana issues.

                                                                                                        Ever heard of Shadow demon and huskar as a combo? too much damage from that shit. dazzle also works.

                                                                                                        remember: tps are your worst enemy, and that huskar is a pub hero and will probably never see the pro scene.

                                                                                                        hope this helped!

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